http://monkeyville.keithurban.net/site.php?content=board&com=board&brd=topic_170892

oh geeze

so not right. Hopefully, She'll be disquailified. For that matter banned from the fc. Some "fan".

Go girls... VK, love the way you are straight up about it.

Couple comments:

If the OP of that thread is violating fan club policies, the thread and his/her (we really don't know who this person is) membership would have disappeared already.

I could not find anything in the fan club T&C's which prohibits advertising for referrals.

Ticket reselling is not against the law and allowable pricing is regulated by the states/countries of jurisdiction.

You may not like someone else reselling tickets, but that does not make it wrong. By all means do not associate with someone you dislike, but be very careful about making accusations. They can come back to bite you, as more than a few people found out dealing with me on fan club related stuff a couple years ago. It's a double edged sword.

I thought the person accused gave very reasonable responses. I personally would've told you to "F" off. That's about as straight up as I can be.

Pat

Pat...
you sound to be very much on the sellers side?......

I on the other hand am more in tuned to what Victoria Kay stated.....

I have to say that I feel so proud of the aussie fans that come to this site... that have had spare tickets to shows and wanted to sell them...
ALL OF THEM HAVE ONLY ASKED FOR FACE VALUE OF THE TICKETS.....

Your right Pat, it isn't against the law to sell the tickets at high prices... but there is a thing such as being decent and having scruples...
I thought that Victoria Kay, said it well when she said...

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You may need the money to take care of your family, but we all are trying to make a living and take care of our own. However we are not scalping concert

people go to scalpers when they have no where left to turn, the Scalpers are taking advantage of peoples passion and addiction, etc.....
they are no better than drug dealers in my eyes....

I know many Aussies that have bought tickets to the shows here,a lot of them scraped up their very last cent to buy tickets, and then found that they still don't have enough money to even attend these shows.... so They are forced to sell these tickets...But these very same people aren't selling them for more than face value... some are single mothers without jobs,

I look into my own heart and know that I could never sell a ticket to a fan, for more than I paid for it... if I was desperate for money.
Has the thought crossed my mind to do it?.... yeah it has...
I found myself in the position of having two spare tickets for the leanne rimes show...the tickets were selling like hot cakes..
But I rather of lost money ... which I did.... than rip off someone that really wanted to be there.....in fact I gave them the tickets for half the price they cost me...and at the time  really needed the money. But I also knew what it would mean to a real fan that wanted to be there.

I can understand someone needing to sell there tickets, and maybe getting more than they are worth in an auction....
but making a living and business out of screwing fans out of money.....
I'm sorry I just can't agree that it is right....like I said, it is as bad as being a drug pusher.... or a leech, feeding off others

I'll say this only once:

The person being disparaged here asserts they did not "ever" buy presale tickets through the fan club. Echo can easily check that, even as far back as when Fan Clubhouse first assigned user codes. If they're lying, they were stupid for making the assertion and will suffer the penalty.

If they're truthful, it's honestly none of yours or anyone else's business what they do to make a living, as long as it is within the laws of their jurisdiction. You may not like it, emotionally, but that is emotion speaking without the benefit of intellect.

I do what I have to do to survive, and that's what I'm hearing from that person. We support a guy who's done exactly the same, and has made some mistakes along the way. I'm a firm believer in spending my time keeping my house in order rather than talking about the Jone's house down the street. It's a value my father taught me.

Yes, to be precisely accurate, if the situation is as the "seller" calmly recounted, I'm am squarely behind them. As I mentioned, I went through this with some other KU fans, who will remain nameless. Life isn't a popularity contest, at least for me anyway. I call them like I see them.

If folks step back for a minute and lose the "she's making money off of "my man"" attitude, they'll see exactly what I do.

Pat

Pat I understand what your saying....

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I do what I have to do to survive, and that's what I'm hearing from that person. We support a guy who's done exactly the same, and has made some mistakes along the way. I'm a firm believer in spending my time keeping my house in order rather than talking about the Jone's house down the street. It's a value my father taught me.

did you father also teach you to have morals?
Not to take advantage of others to make a quick buck?

I'm not just talking about this particular person....
what I feel about taking advantage of fans goes across the board.. wether it be the fanclub, or scalpers, or anyone!
There is wrong and right..... it's not an emotional thing...
its as plain as black and white!....
Its the scalpers that are taking advantage of the emotional...

Do you also think it's right to sell your body, to make a quick buck?
what you are saying is if there is a market and you need the money... its fine to do it..no matter what it might be, as long as it is legal?

Maybe the difficulty I have with this, is that I was brought up to respect everyone... not take advantage of others, but help others...and to fight for the underdog...
I don't see scalpers as underdogs.. I see the fans as the underdogs in this scenerio

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If folks step back for a minute and lose the "she's making money off of "my man"" attitude, they'll see exactly what I do.

I'm not thinking that this person is making money from 'THE MAN"
heck he is rich, and as far as I can see she paid the price of the ticket, the price that was asked to support the man....
its not the man she is taking the money from... its the fans, that need their fix!

Everyone has a right to their own opinion and what they feel is morally right or wrong. But to me, it is wrong to pad your pockets with some one else's money and to take advantage of another person. The fans are getting screwed by the brokers and scalpers.
And yes so is Keith and all the other artist.

Pat I do understand what your saying though about the fact she explained she didn't steal pre order tickets to sell.... and she explained what she was doing and why she was doing it...

Like I said.... thats not the problem for me...
ITS SCALPERS AND ANYONE THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FANS.. is what I have the issue with...and saying its for your childs benifit.

I have to agree with Pat on this one. We may not like the brokers, and yes I've bought tix from brokers and cursed them at the same time, but they are legit business people and like everything else we purchase, it is all about supply and demand.

I didn't read the whole thread, but it looks like she's a pt time ticket broker, who is also a fan.

Teena...I see what you are saying...but why is different for a fan to sell a ticket, but Keith's management can have 'premium' seat auctions for  the best tickets in the first 10 rows and a M & G for the highest bidder up for auction and that's 'Okay' with everyone?  

Personally...I'm sorry I wasted my money buying tickets in the presale this time around.  I could have gotten much better seats on eBay for only $40 more per ticket than I paid through Monkeyville.  

Ticketmaster even had a function now where you can re-list your seats, presale or not, and resell them.  

To me reselling seats is no different than finding some junk in a garage sale, and then reselling it for 10 x what you paid on eBay. If the fan club wants to eliminate fans selling 'presale' tickets...it's simple...will call only tickets. (It would also eliminate the fans that buy 4 tickets and sell 2 to 'finance' their road trips.) What someone does with a ticket they bought on there own is their business...it's their property.  

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Teena...I see what you are saying...but why is different for a fan to sell a ticket, but Keith's management can have 'premium' seat auctions for  the best tickets in the first 10 rows and a M & G for the highest bidder up for auction and that's 'Okay' with everyone?

I feel that is wrong also Renee.... again ripping off fans...
trying to make a huge profit from people.... and they are normaly people that can't really afford it... but are desperate to get a fix...

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To me reselling seats is no different than finding some junk in a garage sale, and then reselling it for 10 x what you paid on eBay.

See I would just feel so wrong about doing that also...
I would just like to see a good home for it...someone that needed something, that I had...
guess that is why I don't sell things on ebay.... I just give people things.
Again I think it must come down to your own personal beliefs..
and what you personally would feel comfortable about doing?

I just know I would feel guilty and miserable if I took someone for more money than what something actually cost me.
Wether I was desperate for the money or not...

I have to go to work....so no time for a long reply.

In short...it's a business.  It's no different than me charging for my hair services.  I guess being self-employed and having to pay for all my own benefits, retirement, etc. I have a different feeling about it.

I have a friend who frequently goes to thrift stores and garage sales and then re-sells on eBay.  That's what she does for a living.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/KEITH-URBAN-FANCLUB-MONKEYVILLE-BACKSTAGE-PASS-TICKETS_W0QQitemZ140111555571QQihZ004QQcategoryZ16709QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I don't understand how she can sign them up for the fan club at $12.50 instead of the $24.99 membership fee! That is not fair to the people who paid $24.99! How can she give them 9 chances to possibly win a BSE???????

Wow - her ad makes me want to join again....

I'm throwing my hat in with Pat & Renee on this one.  It's a capitalist society we live in and that's why these things can happen.  And I agree with Renee about the part of Keith's own people in cahoots with TM for the premium seats, etc.  If they can do it, why can't anyone else?  Until brokers are made illegal, then it's a legit business and as long as this gal is upfront about it and clearly using tickets that are NOT fan club tickets, then I see nothing wrong with it.  No one should have a beef with her over non fan club items.  She's entitled to make her money however she sees fit.  Morals have nothing to with this deal IMO.  

T - I see your point of wanting to help others out by giving them stuff, etc - but that's just your personality and you would most likely not choose a job that had you doing things that went against that grain.  I'm the same way, I'm not a salesperson, never wanted to be.  I work in an office - that's my comfort zone. My husband on the other hand is in sales, and he's always wanting me to pursue things in this arena - it's just not me.    

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Chivette wrote : Wow - her ad makes me want to join again.... I'm throwing my hat in with Pat & Renee on this one.  It's a capitalist society we live in and that's why these things can happen.  And I agree with Renee about the part of Keith's own people in cahoots with TM for the premium seats, etc.  If they can do it, why can't anyone else?  Until brokers are made illegal, then it's a legit business and as long as this gal is upfront about it and clearly using tickets that are NOT fan club tickets, then I see nothing wrong with it.  No one should have a beef with her over non fan club items.  She's entitled to make her money however she sees fit.  Morals have nothing to with this deal IMO.   T - I see your point of wanting to help others out by giving them stuff, etc - but that's just your personality and you would most likely not choose a job that had you doing things that went against that grain.  I'm the same way, I'm not a salesperson, never wanted to be.  I work in an office - that's my comfort zone. My husband on the other hand is in sales, and he's always wanting me to pursue things in this arena - it's just not me.

Keith and his 'people" can do it, because it's Keith's business and his name.  

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"If they're lying, they were stupid for making the assertion and will suffer the penalty."

Well, she was certainly stupid for mentioning anything on the message board to begin with and I agree, it's not illegal, but it's ain't too KOSHER either!  I would think Monkeyville would bump her off for selling tickets on ebay - regardless if they were pre-sale or not and how in the heck is she able to sell the FC for half-price?  Is she stupid enough to actually pay for the remaining balance just to get points?  ABSURD!!  

Here's the monkeyville policy.  It doesn't say anything about just pre-sale tickets...

TICKET RESALE
We work directly with Ticketmaster to prohibit the resale of any tickets for more than the original purchase price. If in good faith we believe you are profiting by reselling, trading, or brokering tickets purchased to Keith’s show, we may at our sole discretion report the incident to Ticketmaster and cancel your membership to Monkeyville without refund. We reserve the right to cancel your membership without notification. We reserve the right to investigate all orders suspected to be in violation of this policy. KeithUrban.net Administrators (echomusic LLC) will be the final authority on interpretation of the rules in this policy  

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did you father also teach you to have morals? Not to take advantage of others to make a quick buck?

Probably a very poor can of worms to open. My wife will explain to you why.

My open criticisms of fans sharing and/or selling copyrighted broadcast and illegally recorded video and audio is just one small example of where my morals stand.

Suffice to say that I'm supremely comfortable with my morals and sleep very well at night, thank you.

Any transaction entered into at arms length, with full disclosure, and agreed to by both parties is neither illegal nor immoral, so long as the product and consideration are legal and the parties are satisfied. Anything else is just third party opinion (which we are all spouting here).

As someone who has had his sterling reputation damaged by innuendo and suggestion, you can trust me when I tell you that I will fight for anyone so maligned. To the death. It's just how I am.

Pat  

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